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No.1237  【暫定案】TORnへの投稿記事
発言者: Evenstar
発言日: 2002 12/30 15:13
お待たせして申し訳ありませんでした。色々と書き直した結果、以下のように落ち着きました。長いメールですが、強調すべき点はぼやけないようにと心がけました。その点とは、Luinneionのレポートが主張するところの「日ヘラの今回の公式コメントはファンにとって喜ぶべき内容ではないか。」は事実を正確に伝えていないどころか、その反対で事態は切迫しているということです。(手紙本文の最終パラグラフ参照)この点を際立たせるためにも、主観と矛盾に満ちているShiotsのレポートへの反論は書いたのですが最終的にはボツにし、末尾にPSとして戸田氏が「最高の字幕翻訳家」であるとした彼または彼女の主張が有名無実であることを裏付けるために、過去の誤訳集の一部をbaldhatter様のレポートから引用させていただきました。ハーブさま、baldhatter様、サポートをありがとうございました。

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Dear Tehanu,

We read your article titled “Japanese Translations Improving? Now in Greece….” in the news section on 12/28. We would like to point out a number of inaccuracies in the report made by Luinneion. The controversy on the Japanese subtitles has gone on since March 2002, and unfortunately is far from having reached any satisfactory condition. To us, fans of LotR, this continues to be a struggle against the Japanese distributor, and it is therefore important that the facts are presented correctly.

To begin with, there are serious mistakes in the translation that Luinnenion made from the official announcement of Nippon Herald Movies Inc. We must assume that Luinnenion’s knowledge of the Japanese language is not advanced enough to understand and evaluate the announcement properly. For instance, he translated the name of the Japanese studio co-distributing LotR as “Matsutake Inc.” Actually the Kanji characters of this studio are pronounced as “Shochiku”.

This may appear to be only a minor error, but it shows that Luinneion has only a limited knowledge of the Japanese market, after all, Shochiku is one of the largest and most widely known Japanese studios.

Luinneion cited the following passage from the Nippon Herald Announcement: “With regard to who will do the work on the subtitles, we would like to give an abbreviated version of the information announced on the official Lord of the Rings site in September, 2002.”

This passage does not exist in the 12/25 announcement. The original Japanese reads as follows: “Regarding the information as to whom the subtitling would be entrusted and who would be asked to consult on it was already made public in the announcement we made on the (Japanese) official LotR website in September, and therefore we will not repeat it here.” The announcement then went on to explain the process in more detail of how the subtitles would be handled. It is therefore the opposite of an abbreviation, it was actually a detailed follow-up.

Actually, the previous announcement that this is referring to, was not in September but in June 2002. In June 2002, Nippon Herald felt compelled to reply to the fans who protested against the FotR subtitles in numerous petitions and on the Internet. Whether Nippon Herald referred to the wrong date by mistake or intentionally, we do not know. Anyhow, in June Nippon Herald announced their plans for the future subtitle making as follows:

・Ms. Natsuko Toda who was responsible for the FotR subtitles would remain as the subtitler for the future installments
・Ms. Akiko Tanaka (highly acknowledged co-translator of the original books) and Hyoronsha (publisher of the books) would be invited to consult on the subtitling process.
・No admission of the mistakes committed, no apology; they merely added that the subtitles for FotR video/DVD would be fixed, reasoning the number-of-letters-restriction to be much relaxed in these media in comparison to the theater release. To be fair, the video/DVD subtitles were to some degree improved, but quite a number of serious errors remained.

The 12/25 announcement then explains in detail that the original English script of the TTT international trailer was first handed to Tanaka for the preliminary translation, then passed on to Toda to be refurbished as subtitles, and lastly returned to Tanaka and Hyoronsha for the final check. As for the TTT theatrical release, the division of labour for producing the subtitles was explained as follows: preliminary translation by Hyoronsha; Tanaka to check the preliminary translation; Toda to create the subtitles based on the preliminary translation; Tanaka and Hyoronsha to check the subtitles; Toda, consulting with Tanaka and others, to finalize the subtitle transcript by making necessary adjustments. It furthermore explained that a similar process was adopted for the dubbed version, only there it was Mr. Katsushige Hirata, who would be the main script maker, and who would be consulted by Tanaka and Hyoronsha.

The interesting thing about all this is, that while the dubbed version turns out to be quite excellent, the subtitled version continues to be a problem. Either Tanaka is not much involved in the subtitling process to begin with, or her input is being ignored. We cannot believe that Tanaka, given her intimate knowledge of the books, would consent to such misrepresentations of the story in the subtitled version. Rather, we believe that this entire consultation process is just a big smoke screen, but in substance nothing is changing. It seems, that as long as Toda remains the main subtitler, there is nothing for the Japanese fans to rejoice about.

Just two of the many examples of the damage Toda continues to do to the film, even involving this supposedly great consultation process, can be studied in the TTT trailer:

・Eowyn’s original lines: “They were unarmed. They had no warning”, turned into “Preparations? Warning?”
・Sam and Frodo’s dialogue: “We’re lost. I don’t think Gandalf meant for us to come this way.” “ He didn’t mean for a lot of things to happen Sam”, lost its gravity and was toned down to: “Wonder if this is the way Gandalf meant?” (Note that "We're lost" is eliminated) “One unexpected thing after the other.”

We are not alone in being quite alarmed about this state of affairs. What the 12/25 announcement really meant to the LotR fans was, that substantial improvement could not be expected. The Japanese fans reacted at once, and a flood of protests was deluged on the BBS of the official Japanese LotR website. So what happened after that protest? Nippon Herald shut the BBS down! We wonder why?

We intend to inform PJ as soon as possible that the situation on the Japanese subtitles has not substantially improved. PJ’s comments: “We've got someone else to do the Japanese translations this time around.” (TVNZ interview at TTT Paris Premier) seems to suggest that “changing of the translator” isn’t merely PJ’s private intention but a joint intention of the team who has endeavored with him to bring the film trilogy about.

At this moment we have no way of knowing how the issue of Japanese LotR subtitles have been communicated between PJ and all the parties involved. But if PJ is still of the understanding that the matter is resolved, he will surely be disappointed. In the 12/25 announcement, Nippon Herald flatly states that PJ’s above comments were to them a total surprise, and declares that the credits for the TTT subtitles as a part of the "Staff & Cast" credits will be as follows: “Subtitles by Natsuko Toda, in collaboration with Akiko Tanaka and Hyoronsha.” If we are to take this seriously, Toda is still to remain in the same position as the subtitler for TTT, which is in straight contradiction of PJs statement.

It is therefore important to us Japanese fans, that the whole issue is not presented on the internet as “resolved”. The contrary is true, and we need to continue to keep up the pressure.


Sincerely yours,

Evenstar (カッコ内はメールアドレス)
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PS:
By the way, Toda has already been quite a controversial subtitler in Japan, even before the current protests over LotR subtitles. Just because she is probably the best known subtitler, does not mean that she is also “THE best movie translator in Japan” (quoted from Shiots). In Japan, quite frequently, the “old-habits-die-hard” of the Japanese business practice does not allow younger and more competent translators who would actually be entitled to be “in the same league with her” to compete freely, because this would endanger the oligopoly of the subtitling market by a small cluster of older and supposedly more experienced translators. For the record, let me refer to a report made by our friend baldhatter who extracted some of Toda’s past classic misdeeds:

--- in "AMADEUS"
[English] death mass (First I must get the death mass, and then I ... I must achieve his death.)
[Subtitle] death mask (First I must get the death mask, and then I ... I must achieve his death.)
[Comment] How is it possible to get a DEATH MASK before someone's dead?

--- in "APOCALYPSE NOW"
[English] fifty-caliber machine guns
[Subtitle] 50mm machine guns
[Comment] "Fifty-caliber" is actually about 12.7mm. Imagine a gun with a diameter of 50mm!

--- in "Gladiator"
[English] ...a man who believed in the Republic
[Subtitle] ...a man who believed in the Federation
[Comment] Is my historical knowldge wrong? I know there WAS the Roman Republic, there WAS the Roman Empire...but not the Roman Federation.

--- in "GOSFORD PARK"
[English] Welsh Rarebit
[Subtitle] rabbit
[Comment] Does a vegetarian eat rabbit instead of cheese?

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 ││└1190:よろしくお願いします [ゆっこ] 12/29 17:08
 ││ └1191:Re:よろしくお願いします [ゆっこ] 12/29 17:13
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 │├1193:Re:日本人じゃないでしょう。 [あ、クマ犬] 12/29 19:18
 ││└1196:機械でもない [baldhatter] 12/29 19:55
 │└1194:反論書きます [Evenstar] 12/29 19:31
 │ ├1195:お願いします [ゆっこ] 12/29 19:42
 │ │├1203:Re:お願いします [tomtom] 12/29 20:58
 │ │└1210:わたしもお願いします [ヘイゼル] 12/30 00:38
 │ ├1197:反論途中にて(その1) [ハーブ] 12/29 20:23
 │ │└1200:反論途中にて(その2) [ハーブ] 12/29 20:35
 │ │ └1208:修正稿:投稿予定(長文) [ハーブ] 12/29 23:41
 │ │  └1209:Re:修正稿:投稿予定(長.. [ゆっこ] 12/30 00:15
 │ │   └1215:投稿しました [ハーブ] 12/30 02:53
 │ │    └1273:第一便・和訳の試み [ここのつ] 01/03 17:00<-last
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 │ ├1201:時系列説明を [ゴンドール国民] 12/29 20:36
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 │ ├1211:連名させてください [角笛] 12/30 00:45
 │ ├1212:よろしくお願い致します [イルフ] 12/30 00:53
 │ ├1213:連名お願いいたします [TK] 12/30 01:04
 │ │└1254:まだ連名間に合いますか? [ピピン] 12/31 03:12
 │ │ └1258:はい、大丈夫です。 [Evenstar] 12/31 22:27
 │ ├1217:部分的な反論書いたけど... [baldhatter] 12/30 05:24
 │ │├1218:誤植訂正 [baldhatter] 12/30 05:40
 │ ││└1219:Re:誤植訂正追加 と 新ネ.. [あ、クマ犬(わーぐ)] 12/30 06:17
 │ │├1223:【急ぎ】引用を許可していた... [Evenstar] 12/30 11:17
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 │ │││└1227:もちろんです [baldhatter] 12/30 12:51
 │ ││└1228:戸田批判の根本 [ゆっこ] 12/30 12:52
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 │ ││└1250:了解です [Evenstar] 12/30 23:51
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 │ ││└1251:アドバイスに感謝 [Evenstar] 12/31 00:12
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 ││└1226:戸田誤訳の例 [白い都] 12/30 12:47
 ││ └1229:無念の「66回」 [baldhatter] 12/30 12:55
 ││  ├1235:さすが [ハーブ] 12/30 14:59
 ││  └1239:Re:無念の「66回」 [微力ながら] 12/30 15:51
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