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No.470  修正箇所確認と検討課題(467まで)
発言者: 白い都
発言日: 2002 11/12 02:01
#手紙本文#####
Dear Ms. Boyens,

This is my second letter on Japanese subtitles for your film "The Lord of the Rings".
I sent you a letter in September and you kindly replied to me. My fellow members of the movement for better and proper subtitles on FotR have been much encouraged by your letter. Let me thank you again on behalf of them.

Today, I report to you about the subtitles in DVD/VHS released in Japan on September 21st. I'm sorry it has taken so long. The reason is that the members have not reached an agreement on the evaluation.

We did find that some of the errors in the subtitles were revised, but opinions differ among the fans, from "acceptable as a whole" to "absolutely unforgivable". At least, "The Most Serious Errors" which I sent you the list of, were all repaired except for these two lines :

>The Departure of Boromir (chapter 38)
Aragorn:
[script] I let Frodo go.
[subtitle] He has left.
Boromir:
[script] Then you did what I could not.
[subtitle] I am ashamed.

That is, Boromir is not a liar, and there is not "the Creator of life" anymore. But in my opinion, there still remain too many bad translations and unsuitable words for the scene in the subtitles in DVD/VHS. I think they are far from satisfactory, not at all what your FotR deserves, though I admit that they are better than the theater version.

I have picked up some of the remaining errors to show you, and with the help of translators have made "A List of Mistranslations in DVD/VHS", inadequate as it is. It is attached at the end of this letter.

And now, I have another bad news to tell you: your current trailer for "The Two Towers" on the Japanese official website released on October 18th, to our great dismay, is marred by the Japanese subtitles AGAIN. TheOneRing.net took up this news and I enclose a copy of the article in this letter with the list. Maybe you know it already?

On the above-mentioned site in June Nippon Herald Films Inc. said that for TTT Ms. Akiko Tanaka (one of the two Japanese translators of the original books) and Hyoron-sha (the publisher) would help the subtitler.
But to be frank with you, I cannot trust to its word, because there is no guarantee of their authority over the subtitler. However useful counsel they may give, it will be no use if the subtitler does not accept it (we have good reasons to fear that is very likely to be the case).

My friends and I are very anxious about subtitles in the coming film "The Two Towers".
Now we are preparing another petition to ask for good and proper subtitles for TTT and RotK.

I wish you could appoint an agent to supervise the making of subtitles, with a good interpreter whose knowledge in Japanese language and whose judgement you can trust. I know it is too much to ask, of course.
Still we believe --- or sincerely hope --- that your interest in this matter can bring a big change, if I may say so.

We are looking forward to seeing your TTT (now all the more for the trailer and the supplements in DVD. I was nearly brought to tears when I found YOU in one of the interviews!)

Sincerely yours,

#本文和訳#####
ボウエンズ様

これは、あなたの映画「ロード・オブ・ザ・リング」の日本語字幕に関する2通目の手紙です。
私は9月に手紙を送り、あなたは親切にもお返事をくださいました。「FotR字幕改善運動」の会員の仲間たちは、あなたの手紙にとても元気づけられています。彼らに代わって、もう一度お礼を言わせてください。

今日は、日本で9月21日に発表されたDVDの字幕についてご報告します。こんなに時間が掛かって済みません。その理由は、評価について会員で合意に達しなかったからなのです。

誤訳のうちのいくつかが修正されていることは確かにわかりましたが、ファンの間では「全体として許容できる」から「全く許し難い」まで意見が分かれました。少なくとも、私が前にお送りした「最も酷い誤訳のリスト」は次の二文を除いて訂正されました。

>ボロミアの旅立ち(38章)
アラゴルン:
[脚本] I let Frodo go.
[字幕] 彼は発った
ボロミア:
[脚本] Then you did what I could not.
[字幕] 恥ずかしい

これで、ボロミアは嘘つきでなく、「生命の創造主」はもはや無くなりました。しかし私の意見では、DVDの字幕には、多くのまずい訳や場面に相応しくない言葉が今なお残されています。劇場版より良いことは認めるとしても、満足というにはほど遠く、あなたの映画には全く値しないものだと思います。

あなたにそのことを示すために、私は残された誤訳のいくつかを取り上げ、翻訳家たちの助けを借りて、不完全ながらも「DVD誤訳リスト」を作成しました。それはこの手紙の後に添付します。

さて次に、別の悪いニュースをお知らせしなければなりません。というのは、日本の公式サイトで10月18日に公開された「二つの塔」の現在の予告編が、またしても日本語字幕によって損なわれているのです。「ワン・リング・ネット」がこのニュースを取り上げたので、記事を誤訳リストと一緒にこの手紙に同封します。既にご存じでしょうか?

日本ヘラルド映画社は、前述した公式サイトにおいて、6月に、『二つの塔』のために田中明子氏(原作の邦訳者二名のうちの一人)と評論社(原作の出版社)が字幕翻訳家を手伝うと述べました。
しかし率直に言って、私はその言葉を信頼することができません。なぜなら字幕翻訳家より上位の権威が彼らに保障されていないからです。彼らがいかに有益な助言をしようとも、字幕翻訳家がそれを受け容れなければ何の役にも立ちません。(私たちは、そういうことがいかにも起こりそうだと畏れるだけの十分な根拠があります。)

友人たちと私は、来るべき『二つの塔』の映画の字幕をとても心配しています。
今、私たちは、『二つの塔』と『王の帰還』のために、良質で相応しい字幕を求めるもう一つの嘆願書を準備しています。

私は、あなたが代理人に対して、日本語の知識と判断力をあなたが信頼できる有能な通訳とともに、字幕の製作を監督することを命じてくださればいいのにと思います。もちろん、過ぎたお願いであるのは承知していますが。
それでも、こう申してよろしければ、私たちは、あなたがこの問題に関心を持ってくださされば大きな変化をもたらすことも可能だと思います。というか、それを心から願っているのです。

私たちは、あなたの映画『二つの塔』を見るのを楽しみに待っています。(あの予告編とDVD特典映像を見た今ではなお一層のことです。インタヴュウの一つの中にあなたを見つけた時、私は涙が出そうになりました!)

#誤訳リスト#####
Examples of Remaining Mistranslations in DVD/VHS

>Keep It Secret, Keep It Safe (chapter 6)
Gandalf:
[script] There are some things that I must see to.
[subtitle] I have my business.
Frodo:
[script] What things?
[subtitle] What business?
Gandalf:
[script] Questions. Questions that need answering.
[subtitle] Many things. I have to finish them.


>The Shadow of the Past (chapter 8)
Gandalf:
[script] But through me, it would wield a power too great and terrible to imagine.
[subtitle] But its power is too terrible to imagine.


>The Council of Elrond (chapter 23)
Gandalf:
[script] I will help you bear this burden, Frodo Baggins. As long as it is yours to bear.
[subtitle] I will share the burden. I will be watching you.


>The Council of Elrond (chapter 23)
Boromir:
[script] Gondor has no king. Gondor needs no king.
[subtitle] A king for Gondor? We do not need one.
comment:These subtitles strongly give an impression that 'king for Gondor' is quite unfamiliar to Boromir, as if Gondor were a republic that had never known kingship.★


>The Council of Elrond (chapter 23)
Boromir:
[script] If this is indeed the will of the council, then Gondor will see it done.
[subtitle] If this is the decision of the council, Gondor will obey it.


>A Journey in the Dark (chapter 28), The Road Goes Ever On...(chapter 39)
Gandalf:
[script] So do all who live to see such times, but that is not for them to decide. All you have to decide is what to do with the time that is given to you.
[subtitle] Everyone feels that way when he's having a hard time, but you can't change it. What's more important for you is, to think what you should do at the moment.
NOTE: Only the subtitle for the latter part of the first line has been revised.
[subtitle in theater] Everyone feels that way when he's having a hard time, but it is too late to regret. What's more important for you is, to think what you should do at the moment.


>Parth Galen (chapter 36)
Frodo:
[script] I know what you would say, and it would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart.
[subtitle] Your words sound kind, but they mean warning to me.


>Parth Galen (chapter 36)
Boromir:
[script] We're all afraid, Frodo, but to let that fear drive us to destroy what hope we have. Don't you see, it's madness.
[subtitle] We're all afraid, but if we are overcome by fear, all will be lost. Don't forget it.


>Parth Galen (chapter 36)
Frodo:
[script] It has taken Boromir.
[subtitle] Boromir....
comment:The subtitler, Natsuko Toda, often does this with short sentences: Takes one single noun out of the line and adds a question mark or three dots.
You will find another example in the trailer for TTT, Eowyn's words (please refer to the article of TheOneRing.Net).★
Such subtitles, of course, can give audience little information and much confusion. But it does not occur to many people that the fault is in the translation and not in the script itself.

#記事コピー#####
The One Ring. net −News for Oct. 25, 2002
(http://www.theonering.net/archives/main_news/10.22.02-10.28.02)

Japan: Trailer Twisted in Translation
10/25/02, 12:15 am EST - Tehanu
The trailer for TTT has just come out in Japan, and once again Japanese fans are full of dread at the way the subtitles are mis-representing Tolkien and the script as Peter Jackson, Fran Walsh and Philippa Boyens intended it to be understood.
Sam : "Wonder if this is the way Gandalf meant?"
Frodo: "Everything is unpredictable."
"This is a Zen dialogue, not a translation at all," exclaims a fan leader....[More]
-------------------------------------------------------------
Japan: Trailer Twisted in Translation
(http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1035518760)
Last month Japanese fans were relieved to see the subtitles in FotR DVD were repaired considerably to what they had been in the film version. Now they are tortured again.

On October 18th, the new TTT trailer was released by the Japanese distributor on the Web. Dubbed version was good, but those who love the actors' own real voices chose the other version with subtitles---and they found a familiar frustration. [Eowyn says] "Preparations? Warning?" No viewer can possibly imagine Eowyn here is really saying, "They were unarmed. They had no warning."

Another example. Sam : Wonder if this is the way Gandalf meant? (Note that "We're lost" is eliminated) Frodo: Everything is unpredictable. "This is a Zen dialogue, not a translation at all," exclaims an ex-leader of Petition for Better Subtitles in FotR. What's in Frodo's mind here is the tragic fall of Gandalf, but these subtitles ignore it. Such were the lines that filled FotR when seen in theaters. And Nippon Herald, the distributor, declares that the same subtitler will stay in her position.

A group of fans have started preparing a new petition. "How we wish we didn't have to do this," says another leader. "All we ask is: Just show us what is being said. Why should it be so difficult?"

******************************
Japanese Subtitles....
10/25/02, 11:43 am EST - Tehanu
Ooops, forgot the URL to Herbalist's site, where you can see more of the mis-translations that are upsetting Japanese LOTR fans.
http://herbs.la.coocan.jp/english_top.html

#確認事項#############
1.本文和訳訂正(433)
>Still we believe --- or sincerely hope --- that your interest in this matter can bring a big change, if I may say so.
>それでも、こう申してよろしければ、私たちは、あなたがこの問題に関心を持ってくださされば大きな変化をもたらすことも可能だと思います。というか、それを心から願っているのです。

2.誤訳リスト
(1)表題(461)
>Examples of Remaining Mistranslations in DVD/VHS

(2)注釈文言(457)
「ゴンドールの王」と「ボロミア・・・」はcomment
「時代」はNOTE

(3)「ゴンドールの王」のコメント(Telperion465案による)
>These subtitles strongly give an impression that 'king for Gondor' is quite unfamiliar to Boromir, as if Gondor were a republic that had never known kingship.
★'king for Gondor' のkingに冠詞は付かなくて良いか?

(3)時代(465,466)
>A Journey in the Dark (chapter 28), The Road Goes Ever On...(chapter 39)
項目名にA Journey in the Dark (chapter 28)を入れる。掲載位置はchapte28のところ
字幕は(chapter 39)により、「それより大切なのは」

(4)「ボロミア・・・」のコメント
警告以外の事例を削除(466)
「警告」
>重複しても現物を出すほうが(ボロミア…と並べた方が)効果的だと思う(466)
賛成。
★ただし、出典がTTT予告編であることを明らかにしておきたいです。こんなのはどうでしょうか。(くどいか?)
Another example is Eowyn's word "Warning?" in the trailer for TTT. (Please refer to the article of TheOneRing.Net.)

★(5)まとめ的コメント
>But it does not occur to many people that the fault is in the translation and not in the script itself.
とあわせて、まとめ的なコメントを書いたらどうか。
>こんなのは氷山の一角だ
>the very style of hers
など。
紙面は、例示を削除した分が浮きましたので、2枚に納めるとして、あと3行(1行80カラム)の余裕があります。

3.OneRingNet.記事のURL
編集者紹介文(ニュース・アーカイブ)
http://www.theonering.net/archives/main_news/10.22.02-10.28.02
記事本文
http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1035518760
両方を拾いました。
これで紙1枚ぎりぎりです。行を詰めましたが、URLは右寄せするから、見た目はそんなに混まないと思います。

★4.連名の記載方法(462)−これはあとでもよい
どちらの案も、ちょっと大げさではないかなという気がします。
英語ではこのくらい平気なのでしょうか。
形式は、どちらかといえば、PS方式が好みです。
いずれにしても、手紙本文がほぼ2枚分なので、連名印字は次のページになります。

第一案
>And those who share my opinion were eager to support me, and wanted their names to be sent to you along with my letter.
「熱烈支持」?

第二案
>we cannot afford to write our own letter in English
その方にこちらが手紙書きを手伝っていただいておるのですが。

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