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手紙 【最終稿】修正+同封資料リスト [ハーブ] 12/12 02:17

 ├◇871:同封資料リストのスペルミス申告 [白い都] 12/12 02:31
 ├◇907:手紙文のスペルミス申告 [ハーブ] 12/13 01:40
 ├◇908:手紙本文の現状 [白い都] 12/13 02:34
 │└◇912:P.S.について [Evenstar] 12/13 08:35
 │ └◇917:ありがとうございました [ハーブ] 12/13 15:15
 └◇911:Re:手紙 【最終稿】修正+同封資料リスト [Evenstar] 12/13 07:42


870● 手紙 【最終稿】修正+同封資料リスト[ ハーブ ] 2002 12/12 02:17
決定稿と称する確信が持てないので、またしても【最終稿】ですみません。
修正箇所の印はつけませんでした、新たな目でご覧下さい。決定稿ではカッコの数字を外します。
手紙の末尾に封入資料の目録がつきました。

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Dear Messrs. Shaye and Lynne,
(0)
We are writing to you to discuss the problematic Japanese subtitles for your film trilogy "The Lord of the Rings".
(1)
We belong to‘the movement for proper subtitles on LotR’. Our wish is shared by many. The movement produced a petition and sent it to you in August, and another petition is now ongoing. We hope they were successful in winning your attention, and we sincerely ask for your assistance on this matter.
(2)
You may already realize that "The Fellowship of the Ring (FotR)" fared so much worse than "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" at the box office only in Japan as CNN reported: "The whole worldwide difference last time was accounted for by Japan." (2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/21/potter.rings/)
We agree to this conclusion, but not to the analysis of its cause.
(3)
Many of Japanese audience were unsatisfied with FotR because “The story and the way the characters were portrayed didn't make sense, and worst of all,I was frustrated by the way it ended.”
Nowhere else in the world could you find such reactions to the great epic film of yours. Your distributor in Japan did not even provide such basic information as FotR being first of the three installments: "trilogy" and "The Fellowship of the Ring" were completely eliminated in the trailer for FotR. You can surely imagine how misleading it was to a number of audience who had not read Tolkien.
(4)
But we are convinced that the failure was mainly due to the terrible translations in Japanese subtitles which totally destroyed the original script. All of the Japanese subtitles on FotR were transcribed by some fans in theaters, then compiled as a single list on the Web and re-checked. We are enclosing it to substantiate our argument, to point out exactly what was wrong by comparing every line with that of the original script.
(5)
Our strong protest bore fruit, and Nippon Herald Films Inc.,the Japanese distributer, announced in June that they requested a translator of Tolkien's books and their publisher to become the advisors for the future subtitle-making, although this by no means guaranteed the advisors' authority over the subtitler.
As a result, some of the errors were corrected in DVD(2-disk)/VHS released in Japan on September 21st. The evaluation on this revision vary among the fans, but at least "The Most Serious Errors" which list we sent you in August, were all repaired except for two lines.
In our opinion, there still remain a considerable number of bad translations, so we made "A List of Mistranslations in DVD/VHS", though inadequate it may be. The list is attached at the end of this letter.
(6)
All the statements made by the subtitler and the Japanese distributor and the way they have been handling this issue so far do nothing but make us very anxious about the quality of subtitles in the coming film "The Two Towers(TTT)".The subtitles in the trailer for TTT released on October 18th in the official Japanese movie website have confirmed our fear. For your information, we enclose an article from TheOneRing.net.
(7)
We request that you take some action in this matter. Could you consider appointing an agent whose knowledge in Japanese language and whose judgement you can trust, to be involved in the subtitle-making and supervise the whole process? Is it also possible that he/she examines the subtitles on FotR theatrical release (the papers enclosed), and also check up and evaluate the Japanese trailer for TTT available on the Japanese official movie website?

(8)
Contemplating the affair in its entirety, we have enough reasons to believe that it is against your interest to leave the issue of subtitle-making to the Japanese distributor and expect them to do their job. They failed you as your business partner last time. And they have not come up with any concrete solutions to the problem, let alone showing any signs to recognize its magnitude. We all dearly hope for a success of the next two installments of the trilogy in Japan, a success they naturally deserve.

Sincerely yours,

(代表者手書き署名)

(連名者住所・氏名)

----------------------改頁----------------------------
Enclosures

(1)Japanese Subtitles in "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring"
As seen in theaters, released on February 23nd, 2002 [Japanese]

(2)Examples of Mistranslations that Distorted "The Fellowship of the Ring"
Corrected and Uncorrected in DVD(2-disk)/VHS [English]

(3)"The Two Towers" trailer on the Japanese oficial movie website
released on Octover 18th, 2002 [Japanese]

(4)The One Ring. net −News for Oct. 25, 2002 [English]


*Japanese official movie website
http://www.lotr.jp/
**Japanese trailer for TTT
http://www.lotr.jp/two_towers/teasers/tt_teaser1.html

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1.ハーブ個人は、URLを手紙文面中、特に最終段落の直前に入れるのは文の(主張の)流れを妨げると思うので、同封資料一覧のほうにくっつけてみました。これは提案に過ぎません。判断は白い都様にお任せします。

2.同封資料一覧の順序ですが、私なら
★英語で読める誤訳リスト→英語で読めるThe One Ring. net記事→日本語資料、としますが。これも判断は任せます。
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871● 同封資料リストのスペルミス申告[ 白い都 ] 2002 12/12 02:31
すみません。他人様に指摘されるのは恥ずかしいので、先に自主申告しておきます。今後はワープロソフトのスペルチェックをかけるようにいたします。

>Enclosures
>(3)"The Two Towers" trailer on the Japanese oficial movie website
released on Octover 18th, 2002 [Japanese]
oficial→official
Octover→October
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907● 手紙文のスペルミス申告[ ハーブ ] 2002 12/13 01:40
白い都様が印刷の際にチェックしてくださるだろうとは思いつつ。

#870の手紙文に含まれているミス
(1) We belong to‘the movement...LotR’.  半角全角スペースのミス。
(3) and worst of all,I was  コンマあとのスペース
(5) Nippon Herald Films Inc.,the  同上
  distributer ⇒ distributor
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908● 手紙本文の現状[ 白い都 ] 2002 12/13 02:34
手紙本文は連名を入れて全5枚になりそうです。
40字×38行にして、3頁目に本文がかかるようにしました。
Enclosuresは私の趣味で、言及される順に並べました。書証みたいなものだから。まあ最初は読めるものだけ読んでくれたら上等。

残された作業は、手紙本文と誤訳リストの印刷です。
13日の昼間は作業ができません。17時の時点で英語板を確認をしてから印刷します。

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Dear Messrs. Shaye and Lynne,


We are writing to you to discuss the problematic Japanese subtitles for your film trilogy "The Lord of the Rings".
We belong to 'the movement for proper subtitles on LotR'. Our wish is shared by many. The movement produced a petition and sent it to you in August, and another petition is now ongoing. We hope they were successful in winning your attention, and we sincerely ask for your assistance on this matter.

You may already realize that "The Fellowship of the Ring (FotR)" fared so much worse than "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" at the box office only in Japan as CNN reported: "The whole worldwide difference last time was accounted for by Japan."
(2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/21/potter.rings/)
We agree to this conclusion, but not to the analysis of its cause.

Many of Japanese audience were unsatisfied with FotR because "The story and the way the characters were portrayed didn't make sense, and worst of all, I was frustrated by the way it ended."
Nowhere else in the world could you find such reactions to the great epic film of yours. Your distributor in Japan did not even provide such basic information as FotR being first of the three installments: "trilogy" and "The Fellowship of the Ring" were completely eliminated in the trailer for FotR. You can surely imagine how misleading it was to a number of audience who had not read Tolkien.

But we are convinced that the failure was mainly due to the terrible translations in Japanese subtitles which totally destroyed the original script. All of the Japanese subtitles on FotR were transcribed by some fans in theaters, then compiled as a single list on the Web and re-checked. We are enclosing it to substantiate our argument, to point out exactly what was wrong by comparing every line with that of the original script.


Our strong protest bore fruit, and Nippon Herald Films Inc.,the Japanese distributor, announced in June that they requested a translator of Tolkien's books and their publisher to become the advisors for the future subtitle-making, although this by no means guaranteed the advisors' authority over the subtitler.
As a result, some of the errors were corrected in DVD(2-disk)/VHS released in Japan on September 21st. The evaluation on this revision vary among the fans, but at least "The Most Serious Errors" which list we sent you in August, were all repaired except for two lines.
In our opinion, there still remain a considerable number of bad translations, so we made "A List of Mistranslations in DVD/VHS", though inadequate it may be. The list is attached at the end of this letter.

All the statements made by the subtitler and the Japanese distributor and the way they have been handling this issue so far do nothing but make us very anxious about the quality of subtitles in the coming film "The Two Towers(TTT)". The subtitles in the trailer for TTT released on October 18th in the official Japanese movie website have confirmed our fear. For your information, we enclose an article from TheOneRing.net.

We request that you take some action in this matter. Could you consider appointing an agent whose knowledge in Japanese language and whose judgement you can trust, to be involved in the subtitle-making and supervise the whole process? Is it also possible that he/she examines the subtitles on FotR theatrical release (the papers enclosed), and also check up and evaluate the Japanese trailer for TTT available on the Japanese official movie website?

Contemplating the affair in its entirety, we have enough reasons to believe that it is against your interest to leave the issue of subtitle-making to the Japanese distributor and expect them to do their job. They failed you as your business partner last time. And they have not come up with any concrete solutions to the problem, let alone showing any signs to recognize its magnitude.
------------- 3枚目 --------------------------------
We all dearly hope for a success of the next two installments of the trilogy in Japan, a success they naturally deserve.


Sincerely yours,

(代表者署名)

(連名者住所氏名)


------------ 4枚目 --------------------------------
Enclosures

(1)Japanese Subtitles in "The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring"
As seen in theaters, released on February 23nd, 2002 [Japanese]

(2)Examples of Mistranslations that Distorted "The Fellowship of the Ring"
Corrected and Uncorrected in DVD(2-disk)/VHS [English]

(3)"The Two Towers" trailer on the Japanese official movie website
released on October 18th, 2002 [Japanese]

(4)The One Ring. net −News for Oct. 25, 2002 [English]


*Japanese official movie website
http://www.lotr.jp/
**Japanese trailer for TTT
http://www.lotr.jp/two_towers/teasers/tt_teaser1.html

----------- 5枚目 --------------------------------------
P.S. We have just seen this news on TheOneRing.net.
The Japanese distributor has not made any comment on it so far, but if it is true, we will be certainly relieved. Please see to it that PJ's word will be realized and good subtitles will be on TTT and RotK.


The One Ring. net −12-11-02 Latest News
(http://www.theonering.net/perl/newsview/8/1039629520)
Good News For Japanese Ringers!
Xoanon @ 12:58 pm EST

Ataahua writes: Peter Jackson has confirmed that the Japanese translations of TTT will be a lot better than they were for FOTR. PJ was interviewed by TVNZ before the TT premier in Paris, during which he commented that there had been a lot of complaints from Japanese fans about the quality of the dialogue translations for FOTR.

"They said that whoever did the translation obviously didn't know the subject and was making big mistakes, and they asked that this person not do the translations for The Two Towers - and that's what we've done. We've got someone else to do the Japanese translations this time around."
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912● P.S.について[ Evenstar ] 2002 12/13 08:35
字幕作家交替のニュース、あまりに夢のようで、思考がまとまらず難儀しています。(;^^) 実は私も、このニュースを知ってすぐ「ポストスクリプトだ!」と叫びました。その後こちらをロムして、「やはり皆さん考えることは同じ。」とにんまり。

もしもこのお手紙がPJ本人宛てだったら、すぐにも裏を取るために事実確認を要請する文面をしたためていたでしょう。NL宛てでも、せめて事実かどうかを裏付けてくれるよう願えないかと思うのですが。とにかくPJプラス二人の脚本陣に、「本当でしょうか?お伺い」の手紙を書き送る所存です。とりあえず、今回のポストスクリプトを下のように練りなおしてみました。白い都さまのご意向に沿わないものであれば、もちろん却下で結構です。


> Please see to it that PJ's word will be realized and good subtitles will be on TTT and RotK.

(やや「お達し」であるかのようなトーンに傾きます。次のような文を作ってみました。ご再考いただければ幸です。)

We have just seen this news on TheOneRing.net.
The Japanese distributor has not made any comment on it so far, but if it is true, we will be certainly relieved, and naturally imagine that you endorse the plan PJ has introduced. We have so far been unable to find the source, so we will be very greatful if you could confirm the validity of this news.
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917● ありがとうございました[ ハーブ ] 2002 12/13 15:15
#909と#912、まとめてになりますが、
Evenstar 様、本当に最後までありがとうございました!
よくここまでおつきあい下さいました。m( _ _ )m ただもう感謝あるのみでございます。

P.S.については、例によって全面採用させていただき、コメントのほうは#916で選択を一覧にしておきました。ご多忙お疲れでしょうし、もう修正が利かないので、どうぞお捨て置きくださって結構です。

>字幕作家交替のニュース、あまりに夢のようで、思考がまとまらず難儀しています。(;^^) 
>とにかくPJプラス二人の脚本陣に、「本当でしょうか?お伺い」の手紙を書き送る所存です。
ああ、そうしていただければ。お願いするまでもないですが反応があったら是非お知らせ下さい。私もTORNにメールした中で、「誰だか知りたい、どうすればわかるだろう」とは書いておきましたけれど。
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それにつけても。
達意のとまではいかなくても、せめて直さねばならぬ箇所のない英文を、自分が日本語を書く時くらいの出来と労力で書く力がありさえしたら、これほど何人もの方にご面倒をかけることもクライアント様(?)を働かせたり待たせたりすることもなかったのに。

そう思わないことはないですが、でも力不足のゆえにお寄せいただいたご助力、応援と励ましのお言葉。私が手が回らずにいればSEEの英語も字幕も吹き替えも書き取りアップから検証スタートまで、チームを組んでやって下さる強力メンバーの新規ご参加。そういう本当に心が暖かくなって嬉しさがじわっとあふれてくるような思いを味わえました。自分に望むだけの力があったら、こんな貴重な出会いはなかったかもしれないと思えば、今しばし、心静かな休息を味わうことも許されるであろう。

すでに日本語がヘンですが (^^;) 、ともあれ、ありがとうございました。Evenstar 様にも皆様にも、良いクリスマスを!
(これなら「良いお年を」と違って気が早過ぎるわけではないんですよー)
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911● Re:手紙 【最終稿】修正+同封資料リスト[ Evenstar ] 2002 12/13 07:42
大きな変更のお勧めはありません。


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> (2)
> You may already realize that "The Fellowship of the Ring (FotR)" fared so much worse than "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" at the box office only in Japan as CNN reported: "The whole worldwide difference last time was accounted for by Japan."

You may already realize that only in Japan did "The Fellowship of the Ring (FotR") fare so much worse than "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" at the box office....


> (3)
>"trilogy" and "The Fellowship of the Ring" were completely eliminated in the trailer for FotR.

they completly eliminated "trilogy" and "The Fellowship of the Ring" from the FotR trailer.


(5)
> In our opinion, there still remain a considerable number of bad translations, so we made "A List of Mistranslations in DVD/VHS", though inadequate it may be. The list is attached at the end of this letter.

, so this time we made "A List of....


> (7)
>Could you consider appointing an agent whose knowledge in Japanese language and whose judgement you can trust, to be involved in the subtitle-making and supervise the whole process?

Could you please consider...(このほうが、「可能性の打診」ではなく「要望」であるというトーンが出ますので。)


>Is it also possible that he/she examines the subtitles on FotR theatrical release (the papers enclosed), and also check up and evaluate the Japanese trailer for TTT available on the Japanese official movie website?

It is also advisable that he/she examines... (これも「攻めの姿勢」の一端として)


> >(8)
> Contemplating the affair in its entirety, we have enough reasons to believe that it is against your interest to leave the issue of subtitle-making to the Japanese distributor and expect them to do their job. They failed you as your business partner last time. And they have not come up with any concrete solutions to the problem, let alone showing any signs to recognize its magnitude. We all dearly hope for a success of the next two installments of the trilogy in Japan, a success they naturally deserve.

(このままだとやや締めとして落ちつかないので、次の文をこのパラグラフの最後に追加してはどうでしょうか。)
The quality of subtitles will play a decisive role in bringing this about, as well as your interest in this matter.
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