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【再検討用】手紙本文 [ハーブ] 12/14 00:48

 ├◇927:一つだけ [Evenstar] 12/14 06:20
 └◇930:【決定稿】時間切れ [ハーブ] 12/14 10:32
  └◇932:aree with にしてください [ハーブ] 12/14 10:57
   └◇934:さらにミス発見 [ハーブ] 12/14 11:27
    └◇935:いいですか〜 [白い都] 12/14 11:54
     └◇937:まさか [ハーブ] 12/14 11:57
      └◇938:もちろん小文字!印刷開始 [白い都] 12/14 12:00
       └◇940:出してきます [白い都] 12/14 12:38


924● 【再検討用】手紙本文[ ハーブ ] 2002 12/14 00:48
Dear Messrs. Shaye and Lynne,


We are writing to you to discuss the problematic Japanese subtitles for your film trilogy "The Lord of the Rings".

We belong to 'the movement for proper subtitles on LotR'. Our wish is shared by many. The movement produced a petition and sent it to you in August, and another petition is now ongoing. We hope they were successful in winning your attention, and we sincerely ask for your assistance on this matter.

You may already realize that only in Japan did "The Fellowship of the Ring (FotR)" fare so much worse than "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" at the box office as CNN reported: "The whole worldwide difference last time was accounted for by Japan."
(2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/21/potter.rings/)
We agree to this conclusion, but not to the analysis of its cause.

Many of Japanese audience were unsatisfied with FotR because the story and the way the characters were portrayed didn't make sense, and worst of all, many were frustrated by the way it ended.
Nowhere else in the world could you find such reactions to your great epic film. Your distributor in Japan, Nippon Herald Films Inc., did not even provide such basic information as FotR being the first of the three installments: they completely eliminated "trilogy" and "The Fellowship of the Ring" from the FotR trailer. You can surely imagine how misleading it was to a number of audience who had not read Tolkien.

But we are convinced that the failure was mainly due to the terrible translations in Japanese subtitles which totally destroyed the original script. All of the Japanese subtitles on FotR were transcribed by some fans in theaters, then compiled as a single list on the Web and re-checked. We are enclosing it to substantiate our argument, to point out exactly what was wrong by comparing every line with that of the original script.

Our strong protest bore fruit, and Nippon Herald Films Inc. announced in June that they requested Akiko Tanaka, a translator of Tolkien's books, and their publisher Hyoron-sha to become the advisors for the future subtitle-making, although this by no means guaranteed the advisors' authority over the subtitler Natsuko Toda.
As a result, some of the errors were corrected in DVD(2-disk)/VHS released in Japan on September 21st. The evaluation on this revision vary among the fans, but at least "The Most Serious Errors" which list we sent you in August, were all repaired except for two lines.
In our opinion, there still remain a considerable number of bad translations, so this time we made "A List of Mistranslations in DVD/VHS", though inadequate it may be. The list is attached at the end of this letter.

All the statements made by the subtitler Toda and the Japanese distributor and the way they have been handling this issue so far do nothing but make us very anxious about the quality of subtitles in the coming film "The Two Towers(TTT)". The subtitles in the trailer for TTT released on October 18th in the official Japanese movie website have confirmed our fear. For your information, we enclose an article from TheOneRing.net.

We request that you take some action in this matter. Could you please consider appointing an agent whose knowledge in Japanese language and whose judgement you can trust, to be involved in the subtitle-making and supervise the whole process? It is also advisable that he/she examines the subtitles on FotR theatrical release (the papers enclosed), and also check up and evaluate the Japanese trailer for TTT available on the Japanese official movie website.

Contemplating the affair in its entirety, we have enough reasons to believe that it is against your interest to leave the issue of subtitle-making to the Japanese distributor and expect them to do their job. They failed you as your business partner last time. And they have not come up with any concrete solutions to the problem, let alone showing any signs to recognize its magnitude.

------------- 3枚目 --------------------------------
We all dearly hope for a success of the next two installments of the trilogy in Japan, a success they naturally deserve. The quality of subtitles will play a decisive role in bringing this about, as well as your interest in this matter.


Sincerely yours,

(代表者署名)

(連名者住所氏名)

*******************************
《固有名詞の変更》
配給会社:
初出(3) Your distributor in Japan, Nippon Herald Films Inc.,
2度目(5) Nippon Herald Films Inc. announced
3度目(6)4度目(8) the Japanese distributor 代名詞は they

字幕作家:
初出(5) over the subtitler Natsuko Toda.
2度目(6) by the subtitler Toda

固有名詞がはいったことでまたはみ出すかなあ>白い都様
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927● 一つだけ[ Evenstar ] 2002 12/14 06:20
固有名詞が入ったことで、手紙全体の締まり方に歴然とした差が出ますね。多角的なチェックというのは本当にありがたいものだと痛感します。

一つだけ。

(1)の最後の部分

and we sincerely ask for your assistance on this matter.

は、in this matter. ですね。一見間違え易いのですが、on ではやはり誤りです。
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930● 【決定稿】時間切れ[ ハーブ ] 2002 12/14 10:32
Dear Messrs. Shaye and Lynne,


We are writing to you to discuss the problematic Japanese subtitles for your film trilogy "The Lord of the Rings".

We belong to 'the movement for proper subtitles on LotR'. Our wish is shared by many. The movement produced a petition and sent it to you in August, and another petition is now ongoing. We hope they were successful in winning your attention, and we sincerely ask for your assistance in this matter.

You may already realize that only in Japan did "The Fellowship of the Ring (FotR)" fare so much worse than "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone" at the box office. As CNN reported: "The whole worldwide difference last time was accounted for by Japan."
(2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/21/potter.rings/)
We agree to this conclusion, but not to the analysis of its cause.

Many of the Japanese audiences were unsatisfied with FotR because the story and the way the characters were portrayed didn't make sense, and worst of all, many were frustrated by the way it ended.
Nowhere else in the world could you find such reactions to your great epic film. Your distributor in Japan, Nippon Herald Films Inc., did not even provide such basic information as FotR being the first of the three installments: they completely eliminated "trilogy" and "The Fellowship of the Ring" from* the FotR trailer. You can surely imagine how misleading it was to a number of people who had not read Tolkien.

But we are convinced that the failure was mainly due to the terrible translations in Japanese subtitles which totally destroyed the original script. All of the Japanese subtitles on FotR were transcribed by some fans in theaters, then compiled as a single list on the Web and re-checked. We are enclosing it to substantiate our argument, to point out exactly what was wrong by comparing every line with that of the original script.

Our strong protest bore fruit, and Nippon Herald Films Inc. announced in June that they requested Akiko Tanaka, a translator of Tolkien's books, and their publisher Hyoron-sha to become the advisors for the future subtitle-making, although this by no means guaranteed the advisors' authority over the subtitler Natsuko Toda.
As a result, some of the errors were corrected in DVD(2-disk)/VHS released in Japan on September 21st. The evaluation on this revision varies among the fans, but at least the mistranslations we pointed out in "The Most Serious Errors" list, which we sent you in August, were all repaired except for two lines.
In our opinion, there still remain a considerable number of bad translations, so this time we made "A List of Mistranslations in DVD/VHS", though inadequate it may be. The list is attached at the end of this letter.

All the statements made by the subtitler Toda and the Japanese distributor and the way they have been handling this issue so far do nothing but make us very anxious about the quality of subtitles in the coming film "The Two Towers (TTT)". The subtitles in the trailer for TTT released on October 18th in the official Japanese movie website have confirmed our fear. For your information, we enclose an article from TheOneRing.net.

We request that you take some action in this matter. Could you please consider appointing an agent whose knowledge of the Japanese language and whose judgement you can trust, to be involved in the subtitle-making and supervise the whole process? It is also advisable that he/she examines the subtitles on FotR theatrical release (the papers enclosed), and also check on and evaluate the Japanese trailer for TTT available on the Japanese official movie website.

Contemplating the affair in its entirety, we have enough reasons to believe that it is against your interest to leave the issue of subtitle-making to the Japanese distributor and expect them to do their job. They failed you as your business partner last time. And they have not come up with any concrete solutions to the problem, let alone showing any signs of recognizing its magnitude.

------------- 3枚目 --------------------------------
We all dearly hope for a success of the next two installments of the trilogy in Japan, a success they naturally deserve. The quality of subtitles will play a decisive role in bringing this about, as well as your interest in this matter.


Sincerely yours,

(代表者署名)

(連名者住所氏名)

*******************************

細かい部分の検討が不十分ですが時間切れによりアップします。
どこをどう変えたかは続いて原稿作成アップ予定。
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932● aree with にしてください[ ハーブ ] 2002 12/14 10:57
駆け込みで済みません!

>(2002/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/21/potter.rings/)
We agree to this conclusion, but not to the analysis of its cause.
のところですが、
⇒We agree with this conclusion, but not with the analysis of its cause.
にしてください(間に合うか?)
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934● さらにミス発見[ ハーブ ] 2002 12/14 11:27
チェック作業の時の*マークが一個残ってました!
(3)Many of the Japanese audiences で始まる段落
>"trilogy" and "The Fellowship of the Ring" from*
これです。あああ本当にこれじゃ…ごめんなさい!
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935● いいですか〜[ 白い都 ] 2002 12/14 11:54
誤訳リスト
ハーブ案により
>Boromir means the people of Minas Tirith, not the human race on earth as a whole. He is answering to the preceding line of Aragorn's: "I will not let the White City fall. Nor our people fail."

本文は934まで反映。
連名1名追加しました。
1頁40行にして、丁度3枚で納まりました。3枚目の頭はWell as your interest in this matter.
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937● まさか[ ハーブ ] 2002 12/14 11:57
ご迷惑おかけしました!お疲れ様でした。

>3枚目の頭はWell as your interest in this matter.
まさか大文字じゃないですね? well as...ですよね?
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938● もちろん小文字!印刷開始[ 白い都 ] 2002 12/14 12:00
打ち込んだのでミス。ご心配かけました。
コピペすればよかった。
では、印刷開始です。
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940● 出してきます[ 白い都 ] 2002 12/14 12:38
これから郵便局へ行きます。
これでネット環境を離れますので、発送データなどは今夜遅くにご報告いたします。
ほーい 楽しくやろうよ、リンラン ラン!
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