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└◇1307:【最終稿】PJ宛送付文 [ハーブ] 01/06 14:07
└◇1308:Re:【最終稿】PJ宛送付文 [白い都] 01/06 16:34
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└◇1312:出してきます [白い都] 01/06 21:03<-last
1295・1299を合わせたものに、さらにチェックと手直しを加えました。コメントを書く(引用) | スレッド一覧
今の時点ではここまでしか出来ません。今夕発送予定との事でしたが、連絡お待ちしています。>白い都さま
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Dear Mr. Jackson
I am a great fan of your film "The Lord of the Rings", and I have been a Tolkien reader for more than 20 years.
The Japanese subtitle problem is utterly crucial to me.
My friends and I have been protesting against the terrible Japanese subtitles since March 2002. Some of us have sent you the petitions about the subtitles in FotR with the list of "Most Serious Errors in the Translation of the Japanese Subtitles," "Examples of Remaining Mistranslation in DVD/VHS," and so on.
Now I send you some materials for you to take into consideration. They include the official announcement on December 25th by the Japanese distributor, Nippon Herald Films Inc., which immediately caused a flood of renewed anger among us fans.
(If you have already received these things, please forgive me.)
You may already know of the article on the OneRingNet titled "Japanese Translations Improving? Now in Greece…." in the news section on 12/28, where you can read an English translation of the official announcement. But I have to say that whoever the writer Luinneion is, the article had a number of inaccuracies and serious mistranslations in it. So I send you the original Japanese one with our English translation of the main part of it.
The official announcement, in short, says that they have heard nothing from you, that Natsuko Toda who made all the distortion in FotR will remain as the subtitler for the future installments. In the subtitled print in Japan we will see the name Natsuko Toda be shown BEFORE or along with the original title 'The Two Towers', where you avoided placing your name!
They also say that on the TTT international trailer, Akiko Tanaka and Hyoronsha had checked the both translation of the subtitled version and the dubbed version. But we assure you, there was a great difference between the impressions given by the dubbed version and the subtitled one, great enough to motivate us to start a new petition in November.
If based on the same 'complete translation' and equally checked and double-checked as they tell us, what then, we ask, makes the difference?
Just like the case of FotR, while the dubbed version turns out to be quite excellent, the subtitled version continues to be painfully problematic.
I hope you have someone who reads Japanese well enough to understand every nuance, so that you can compare the two versions in the enclosure (2).
I believe that the lengthy explanation of 'entire consultation process' in the announcement is just a big smoke screen by Nippon Herald Films Inc. As long as Toda remains the main subtitler, there is no hope for the Japanese fans to genuinely enjoy your TTT.
Sincerely yours,
(手書き署名)
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ハーブ様、ここのつ様、ありがとうございました。コメントを書く(引用) | スレッド一覧
お返事遅くなりました。やっと事務所へ帰還。仕事の合間に掲示板を見ますから。
1307で基本的に問題ありません。
第1段落
>I have been a Tolkien reader for more than 20 years.
25年にしていいですか。
邦訳は昭和52年4月発行の文庫初版。原書も同じ頃に購入しましたが(英版・家系図にメリーの妻の名前なし)、未だに全文を読み通しておりません。
第5段落
田中明子氏と評論社が何者であるかは、日ヘラ告知文を読めばわかりますが、念のため手紙にも書いたほうがいいと思います。
They also say that on the TTT international trailer, Akiko Tanaka (co-translator of the original books for Japanese) and Hyoronsha (publisher of the Japanese edition books) had checked the both translation of the subtitled version and the dubbed version.
日本語資料ゴメン、は入れなくてよいですか。
英訳が全然ないものは「サンデー毎日」の記事。
Enclosures
(1)日本ヘラルド告知の「日本語、英語抄訳付き」は、
[Japanese with our English translation of the main part]でいいですか。
いらしてよかった。さっそくですが取り急ぎ。コメントを書く(引用) | スレッド一覧
(なお、1309は了解につきレス無し)
>25年にしていいですか。
ご随意に(笑)。知ってたけどサバ読みたいかと思って(ウソ)。
>田中明子氏と評論社が何者であるかは、日ヘラ告知文を読めばわかりますが、念のため手紙にも書いたほうがいいと思います。
同じく白い都様のご判断で。
>日本語資料ゴメン、は入れなくてよいですか。
これは#1294にこう書きました。
>>カット提案:次の部分、Enclosuresの目録の前か後に移動してはどうでしょうか。手紙本文は極力簡潔にして最後の2段落まで読んで欲しいので。
>>>I regret that some of them are in Japanese. We didn't have enough time or worker to translate all of them, and we are in a hurry because the release of TTT in Japan is coming. I would ask you to have someone who is good at Japanese to read them.
で、今見直して、最後の部分は不要と思われますので、最終的に私の提案は
★本文ではなくEnclosuresの目録の前か後に次の2文を入れておく
I regret that some of them are in Japanese. We didn't have enough time or worker to translate all of them, and we are in a hurry because the release of TTT in Japan is coming.
>(1)日本ヘラルド告知の「日本語、英語抄訳付き」は、
>[Japanese with our English translation of the main part]でいいですか。
私は、本文中に説明もあることで、あっさり [Japanese/English] くらいでいいと思うんですが。
>英訳が全然ないものは「サンデー毎日」の記事。
それって下の(4)ですよね。(2)と(7)は?いや、別にこれは回答の必要はないです。
《以下#1259よりコピペ》
Enclosures
(1)The Official Announcement about TTT translation: "To Everyone Waiting for the Release of The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers" on the Japanese official movie website
by Nippon Herald Inc. and Shochiku Co., Ltd on December 25th, 2002[Japanese]
(2)"The Two Towers" trailer on the Japanese official movie website
released on October 18th, 2002 [Japanese]
(3)The One Ring. net −News for Dec. 27, 2002 [English]
(4)"The Hollywood Dismiss the Subtitler Natsuko Toda?" from 'The Sunday Mainichi,
2003 Jan. 5-12' (published on December 24th, 2002) [Japanese] *
(5)The One Ring. net −News for Oct. 25, 2002 [English]
(6)The One Ring. net −News for Nov. 02, 2002 [English]
(7)The Official Announcement about LotR subtitles by Nippon Herald Inc.
on June 13th, 2002 [Japanese]
* 'The Sunday Mainichi' is one of well-known weekly magazines in Japan, which sells about 129,000 copies a week.
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目録の最終修正
(1)日ヘラ告知は英訳のほうを上に綴じたので(PJはどうせ英語しか読まないだろう)、[English/Japanese]とした。
(1)と(7)は社名にFilms挿入。資料表題も同じく修正。
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Enclosures
(1)The Official Announcement about TTT Translation:
"To Everyone Waiting for the Release of The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers"
by Nippon Herald Films Inc. and Shochiku Co., Ltd
Posted on the Japanese official movie website on December 25th, 2002
[English/Japanese]
(2)"The Two Towers" trailer on the Japanese official movie website
released on October 18th, 2002 [Japanese]
(3)The One Ring. net −News for Dec. 27, 2002 [English]
(4)"The Hollywood Dismiss the Subtitler Natsuko Toda?" from 'The Sunday Mainichi,
2003 Jan. 5-12' (published on December 24th, 2002) [Japanese] *
(5)The One Ring. net −News for Oct. 25, 2002 [English]
(6)The One Ring. net −News for Nov. 02, 2002 [English]
(7)The Official Announcement about LotR subtitles by Nippon Herald Films Inc.
on June 13th, 2002 [Japanese]
* 'The Sunday Mainichi' is one of well-known weekly magazines in Japan, which sells about 129,000 copies a week.
I regret that some of them are in Japanese. We didn't have enough time or worker to translate all of them, and we are in a hurry because the release of TTT in Japan is coming.
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雑談
>サバ読みたいかと思って
あっ、年齢が特定されるのか。まあ、そんなことに関心を持つ人はいないでしょう。
(2)は日本語を読ませることに意味がある。(7)は(1)で内容を繰り返しているから本来は不要だが、遡って見たい場合を慮って入れておいた。
それでは、これから郵便局へ寄って、出してから帰ります。
現在、実生活多忙のため、今後しばらくはあまり活動できないと思います。